Agenda and minutes

Licensing Panel - Tuesday 11 June 2019 7.30 pm

Venue: Committee Rooms 1 & 2, Harrow Civic Centre, Station Road, Harrow, HA1 2XY

Contact: Daksha Ghelani, Senior Democratic Services Officer  Tel: 020 8424 1881 E-mail:

No. Item


Appointment of Chair

To appoint a Chair for the purposes of this meeting.


RESOLVED:  That Councillor Natasha Proctor be appointed Chair of the Licensing Panel Hearing.


Declarations of Interest

To receive declarations of disclosable pecuniary or non pecuniary interests, arising from business to be transacted at this meeting, from:


(a)               all Members of the Panel;

(b)               all other Members present.


RESOLVED:  To note that there were no declarations of interest made by Members.



[Note:  Licensing Panel minutes are:-


(1)          approved following each meeting by the Members serving on that particular occasion and signed as a correct record by the Chair for that meeting;

(2)          not submitted to the next panel meeting for approval.


Reasons: The Licensing Panel is constituted from a pooled membership. Consequently, a subsequent Panel meeting is likely to comprise a different Chair and Members who took no part in the previous meeting’s proceedings. The process referred to at (1) above provides appropriate approval scrutiny].


(See Note at conclusion of these minutes).


Licensing Procedures pdf icon PDF 65 KB

Procedure to be followed at an oral hearing.


The Chairman asked the Panel Members, officer/s, Responsible Authority/ies and other attendees at the meeting to introduce themselves and then outlined the procedure for the conduct of an oral hearing, which was set out in the agenda.



Carniprod, 181 Burnt Oak Broadway, Edgware, Middlesex, HA8 5EH pdf icon PDF 148 KB

Report of the Corporate Director of Community.

Additional documents:


In attendance:


Legal Adviser:  Laurie Marks


Licensing Officers: Ash Waghela and David Gilmour


Applicant: P C Beresford – Metropolitan Police


Also Present:  P C Downes – Metropolitan Police


No written representations were received from the Licensee, Georgina Monica Craciunescu, and she did not attend the hearing.


The Licensing Panel were informed that the application had been brought by the police for review of the licence on the grounds of breach of conditions of the licence and the undermining of the licensing objectives: prevention of crime and disorder, prevention of public nuisance, public safety and protection of children from harm.  The Panel were informed that both the police and Trading Standards were concerned that non duty paid alcohol and tobacco had been kept on the premises, which was an offence contrary to Section 144 of the Licensing Act.


The Licensing Panel carefully considered all relevant information including:


·                     written and oral representations by all the parties, full details of which were set put in the Decision Notice sent to all interested parties;

·                     the Licensing Act 2003 and the steps that were appropriate to promote the licensing objectives;

·                     the Guidance issued under section 182 of the Licensing Act 2003 (2018 being the most recent guidance);

·                     Harrow Council’s Licensing Policy;

·                     Human Rights Act 1998;

·                     the considerations in s.17 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.


Members of the Panel took into consideration the following and asked questions of the parties present at the meeting, full details of which were set out in the Decision Notice sent to all interested parties:


-               that the licensee had failed to promote the licensing objectives and that the licensee was one of the main contributors of antisocial behaviour in the area.  The licensee had shown a complete disregard for the law by repeatedly storing smuggled goods contrary to Section 144 of the Licensing Act;


-               the shop was run by Mr Duta and not by Ms Craciunescu who was both the licence holder and the designated premises supervisor (DPS).  Mr Duta’s 14-year old son was seen receiving a delivery of cigarettes and placing it behind the counter.  The licensing objective of the protection of children from harm was being undermined;


-               unknown liquids in plain plastic bottles were being sold, which could have been harmful.  It was the third time that Carniprod had been caught selling non duty paid goods which undercut and undermined responsible retailers and potentially put the consumer at risk;


-               whilst the whole area had problems with street drinking, Carniprod was not helping by selling unidentifiable alcohol in unsealed bottles.  People were buying alcohol from Carniprod and drinking it on the streets;


-               on 31 March 2019, Mr Duta had failed to produce a certified copy of the licence, which was an offence under Section 57(7) of the Licensing Act.  The police were of the view that this displayed contempt for authority and the licensing regime. Mr Duta had shown no willingness to work with the police.  The licence holder and DPS appeared  ...  view the full minutes text for item 31.